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Great book by jungian j.Gary sparks on Toynbee and Jung. Collapse happens when civilizations become out of touch with the cultural creatives, who then have to decide whether to struggle over the old systems in collapse or protect new systems structures and patterns against what is collapsing. Jung and Toynbee speak to the inner/outer personal/collective, but sparks, who studied with von Franz draws on synchronicity, number and time, and acausal order to discuss the bifurcation/phase change. Dreams as places where the drama plays out are helpful to consider the transition as re-presented in image and narrative. I would say most of my dreams have been influenced by the trajectory of institutional collapse and it’s felt impact. Such is the kairos we live in

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michael's avatar

i’ll check it out like the book on mithraism. Toynbee (apparently) modeled both shorter cycles of peace and war that correlate with this generational cycle, and also longer term arcs of civilizational collapse due to this loss of creativity. afaik, Spengler’s idealist approach to collapse complimentarily suggests the spiritual core that vitalizes a civilization goes extinct and, without a motivating purpose, the system collapses.

i’m not sure if this decade is better understood as a civic crisis that can be resolved or civilizational catastrophe that can’t, but either way cultural creativity is certainly suppressed and/or exhausted, and i too am working to create/protect new structures for whatever comes next.

i feel my dreams too speak to how deeply i sense this kairotic changing of the gods and offer some clues on how to best live my life accordingly. maybe i should lean on this wisdom more.

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